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Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By hchoudhry17
5/01/2017 12:45 pm
Gustoon wrote:
Outside of the Jamal Adams pick (BPA) I'm scratching my head at (IMO) one of the worst drafts I've had the misfortune to watch.
We (Jets) drafted 2 safeties, then 2 WRs , TE , LB , RB and then finally 2 CBs. Out of all of those (addressing needs) TE and CBs got covered. STILL no edge rusher, Tom Brady and co say hi! , No O linemen, really????
We didn't draft a punter though.

I'm a big jet fan and I give our draft a solid B+. Mayes is really good and how many times were u sick of giving up huge plays last year cuz our secondary was ****? The two receivers make sense cuz Smith is done again, and Hansen is a steal. Leggett has hands that are as sure as u can get, and we have some guys that could potentially cracking the roster (the late corners are fliers but hey u never know). Can't fix this mess in one season, but it's a great first draft in my opinion

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By hchoudhry17
5/01/2017 12:50 pm
Think of it this way, we have our safeties set, dline set, linebackers are partially set with Lee, wide receivers set, and oline isn't as bad as people make it to be.

IF hackenburg has skills (big IF) then that solves a ton of issues. Our next draft would focus on a top corner, edge rusher, and left tackle. I love Powell and although he may not be a number 1 workhorse, he's serviceable as the top back. I'm telling u, if hackenburg can be average, this rebuild isn't as far away as everyone thinks it is

But then again, I just know we r gonna draft a defensive lineman first round next year :)

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Authorccurrier
5/01/2017 12:50 pm
I'm sorry, when I say DT, I refer to 3-techs. I will be more specific in the future. When I say NT, I refer to 1/0 techs, and when I say DE, I refer to classic 5-techs. I don't work with smart players while I'm coaching all the time, so I have to dumb it down a lot (sadly). Also, when I say DE/DT, I refer to a 3-tech with the ability to play 5-tech on occasion, but lacking the ideal length for the position.

My 3-tech ratings heading into the draft were the following:
1. Solomon Thomas, DE/DT, Stanford
2. Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama
3. Christ Wormley, DE/DT, Michigan
4. Caleb Brantley, DE/DT, Florida
5. Larry Ogunjobi, DE/DT, Charlotte
6. Malik McDowell, DE/DT, Michigan State
7. Montravius Adams, DE/DT, Auburn
8. Carlos Watkins, DE/DT, Clemson
9. Jaleel Johnson, DE/DT, Iowa
10. Dalvin Tomlinson, DE/DT, Alabama

I think that the top 5 could all thrive as 3-techs in the NFL. I like Ogunjobi better than Brantley, but Ogunjobi needs more coaching, and is thus rated lower. I like Allen better than Thomas, because Allen simply dominated everyone he played against the past two years, but Thomas is more explosive and thus a more appealing prospect to almost everyone. I really like Montravius Adams as a 3-tech, but he needs more polish and HAS to improve his motor. For McDowell, his best position probably won't be a 3-tech, and he may actually perform better on the edge as a 5, but the athletic upside is definitely there. Watkins may be a quality 3 tech, but it would be interesting to see his impact at 4i/4/5. I think he has high potential. Johnson and Tomlinson would be ideal as 1/0-techniques in my opinion, but they may be able to play 3 with development.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Authorccurrier
5/01/2017 12:56 pm
hchoudhry17 wrote:
Think of it this way, we have our safeties set, dline set, linebackers are partially set with Lee, wide receivers set, and oline isn't as bad as people make it to be.

IF hackenburg has skills (big IF) then that solves a ton of issues. Our next draft would focus on a top corner, edge rusher, and left tackle. I love Powell and although he may not be a number 1 workhorse, he's serviceable as the top back. I'm telling u, if hackenburg can be average, this rebuild isn't as far away as everyone thinks it is

But then again, I just know we r gonna draft a defensive lineman first round next year :)


I agree. This was a solid foundational draft. If Hackenburg is awful, then the Jets probably get to **** for Sam Darnold and get the first pro-ready franchise QB since Winston, who was the first since Luck. They might be able to get him or whoever the other top-rated prospect is, because, heading into the draft, the Jets had the worst roster in the NFL imho. The 49ers had the second-worst.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Gustoon
5/01/2017 1:09 pm
hchoudhry17 wrote:
Gustoon wrote:
Outside of the Jamal Adams pick (BPA) I'm scratching my head at (IMO) one of the worst drafts I've had the misfortune to watch.
We (Jets) drafted 2 safeties, then 2 WRs , TE , LB , RB and then finally 2 CBs. Out of all of those (addressing needs) TE and CBs got covered. STILL no edge rusher, Tom Brady and co say hi! , No O linemen, really????
We didn't draft a punter though.

I'm a big jet fan and I give our draft a solid B+. Mayes is really good and how many times were u sick of giving up huge plays last year cuz our secondary was ****? The two receivers make sense cuz Smith is done again, and Hansen is a steal. Leggett has hands that are as sure as u can get, and we have some guys that could potentially cracking the roster (the late corners are fliers but hey u never know). Can't fix this mess in one season, but it's a great first draft in my opinion

Well Hello!!! We have enough for a wave now :)

Yep secondary is, as ever always a problem, especially when you have the likes of Brady and Co in town. I can't argue with the Adams pick, but then to go out in round 2 and draft ANOTHER safety, yeah I know he's good, but NOT an O lineman or edge rusher, which at that point were much more of a need, heck even a CB which we now rank really low at.

CBs Jones and Clark, I'm really lost on the Clark pick, he may work out.
I like the WR picks, but still think we could have drafted the other earlier, I do not like the TE Leggett pick though, from what I've seen , not a great route runner but more of a burner, I suppose that can be taught though.

LB Donahue, please tell me what we plan on doing with him?

I honestly think we should have done better, whoever is under center this season is going to get killed.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Gustoon
5/01/2017 1:11 pm
hchoudhry17 wrote:
Think of it this way, we have our safeties set, dline set, linebackers are partially set with Lee, wide receivers set, and oline isn't as bad as people make it to be.

IF hackenburg has skills (big IF) then that solves a ton of issues. Our next draft would focus on a top corner, edge rusher, and left tackle. I love Powell and although he may not be a number 1 workhorse, he's serviceable as the top back. I'm telling u, if hackenburg can be average, this rebuild isn't as far away as everyone thinks it is

But then again, I just know we r gonna draft a defensive lineman first round next year :)


Imagine Powell on a top team, he is wasted on us. By the time we are able to compete he'll be done.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By hchoudhry17
5/01/2017 1:19 pm
Leggett doesn't block, but he won't drop anything that comes to him (I'm tired of Stephen Hill and the Brandon Marshall drops of past).

Don't forget, a lot of the late round guys are development players that can make an immediate impact on special teams (which was pretty bad too last season, go figure).

I'll be honest, coming in, my number 1 pick would have been jamal adams for the jets, and i was going nuts when tennessee passed on him. If not him, i really didnt know where we'd go. i didnt like anyone else really (only watson, but hey, if we r gonna draft hackenburg early, which i didnt like at all to begin with, then might as well give him a shot). last year was an underachieving year, and the year was overachieving. we really arent as bad as people think, and unless hack and mcCown really stink it up, we arent gonna be bad enough for Darnold. Rosen is a possibility though.

I really wanted kevin king in the second round, but he was taken with the first pick. other than mayes, i was looking at Quincy wilson and dalvin cook. my only potential regret in this draft will be if watson becomes a star, i will always be upset cuz i really think that dude is gonna be great.

But its great to know other Jet fan opinions! I'm always the optimist.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Authorccurrier
5/01/2017 1:32 pm
I think Leggett has the skills to develop into a pretty good mismatch receiving TE. My mine concern with him to the Jets is that the Jets really need a TE and Leggett is going to be expected to shoulder the load early. He has plus hands and the ability to be a seam-threat, but like Gustoon pointed out, his route running is average, and he's going to be expected to block with that frame of his. The thing is, at the Combine, teams marked him down, because they said his willingness to block rhymed with "wussy". I loved the pick for the Texans, because he'd be paired with Watson again, plus Fiedorowicz could teach him some great blocking, and he'd only be used as a mismatch early on. He'd be able to develop. I liked the pick for the Redskins as well. He could sit behind Vernon Davis and learn how to block from him, all while coaches try to get the willingness to block out of him. With the Jets, he'll be expected to block early on.

For the Jets, I like Jake **** better than Leggett. **** is an in-line TE with some receiving skills and the ability to be a big time red zone target. He reminds me of Eifert coming out of college, but **** is known to be a lot tougher. Either **** or one of the top 4 TEs (Howard, Njoku, Everett, and Engram in that order) needed to go to the Jets in order to actually help the Jets early in their career.

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By hchoudhry17
5/01/2017 1:37 pm
Leggett will get work, but i dont think he'll be the number 1 tight end right away. I expect sefarian jenkins to be our top option (although suspended 2 games), as well as give a hard look at gary barnidge. although i do see your point that **** would be better. yet that would mean passing up on hansen in the 4th to snag him instead, and i feel hansen has the better value. But hey what do we know, anyone can be a star or dud :)

Re: 2017 NFL Draft RECAP

By Gustoon
5/02/2017 5:48 am
Some interesting comments here on our draft http://www.greenrewind.com